hi! i think that an important point to consider when talking about race and latin american immigrants in the united states is the fact that the construct of race here in latin america is distinct from the concept of race in the united states.
for instance, you mentioned white mexicans. while in latin america race depends more on skin color and less on ancestry, in anglo america it’s determined mainly by where someone is from and their ancestry. someone born in mexico will never be white in the US, regardless of how light their complexion is. even if they dont speak like a foreigner, they will only pass for white until it’s revealed that theyre from latin america. thoughts?
We definitely agree on the idea that race as a concept is different in Latin America than it is in the US. For one, inequality in Latin America is often talked about in terms of class (often ignoring the fact that those who are poorest are the darkest and most indigenous) while in the US inequality is talked about in terms of race (ignoring how class further oppresses black people and other POCs)
However, we will respectfully disagree on your last statement. You CAN be considered white EVEN when your Latin American heritage has been disclosed.
We will use Alexis Bledel as a prime example.
Alexis Bledel identifies as Latina. Her father is Argentinian and her mother was raised in Mexico City. She has done countless articles talking about her “Latin American background.” And she is ALWAYS featured during Latin@ Heritage Month in “[insert number] of [white] celebrities you didn’t know were Latin@” articles.
BUT she is NOT racialized in the same manner that say Jessica Alba is. In fact, in almost all her roles she plays a white woman, DESPITE being completely fluent in Spanish, DESPITE being open about her Latinidad. She is treated as the white person that she is.
Now we know now you’re probably saying her name helps her out. And it’s true. Carlos Irwin Estevez (although technically he’s not Latino, he’s Spanish) changed his name to Charlie Sheen to help him pass as the white man he is. But we have another example of white Latin@s being racialized as white in Frankie Muniz.
Another celebrity heavily featured in the ubiquitous Latin@ Heritage [inser number] white Latin@ celebrities we rather feature instead of brown/black celebrities fluff pieces, Frankie Muniz is Puerto Rican. Yet despite his obviously Latin@ last name, he also has not been racialized as non-white. Instead, he consistently plays non-Latin@ white roles.
And last but not least we have Christina Aguilera
She is proudly Latina, much like Alexis Bledel. She even has a VERY Latina sounding name. She’s recorded albums in Spanish. BUT even during her Dirrrty phase, she was not hypersexualized in the same manner that other WOC artists are. Instead, her expression of sexuality and its reception were more reminiscent of how Madonna’s overt sexuality was performed and received. In contrast, artists like Nicki Minaj and Rihanna (two black female artists of Caribbean descent) are criticized for their expressions of sexuality and often villainized and their respective crafts dismissed because of how they choose to express their bodies and sexuality.
so tl;dr, No. Sorry, we refuse to accept the lie that White Latin@s are always racialized as ‘other’ in the US upon realization of their Latin American heritage. This is patently not true. Yes, some light-skinned Latin@ have conditional white passing privilege. But to say that no matter how light and bright they get they will never pass as white, I’m sorry but the evidence shows otherwise.
White Latin@s are white. This will never cancel out their Latinidad. But Latinidad can also never cancel their white privilege, so long as white supremacy is rule of the land.
A lot of Latinos get on my nerves with this shit “in Latin America we’re all just Latino!! Nobody notices the difference” man bye with that bullshit.
ALL OF THIS!
"My wife and I are thinking of adopting and shockingly found in Texas, the cost for a white infant was $35,000 and the cost of a black infant was $17,000 – these are published numbers on private adoption websites."
BUT OMG RACISM DOESN’T EXIST!
That is seriously disturbing.
That’s not even like, a minor difference. Jesus.
And yet people don’t wanna hear it when I say black bodies are LITERALLY devalued.
i fuck black men look of the century right here
I thought Pink was black for like four years
i mean look at her nose
and her name is Alicia Moore
idk what else you needed
That is a black name
"Look, without our stories, without the true nature and reality of who we are as People of Color, nothing about fanboy or fangirl culture would make sense. What I mean by that is: if it wasn’t for race, X-Men doesn’t sense. If it wasn’t for the history of breeding human beings in the New World through chattel slavery, Dune doesn’t make sense. If it wasn’t for the history of colonialism and imperialism, Star Wars doesn’t make sense. If it wasn’t for the extermination of so many Indigenous First Nations, most of what we call science fiction’s contact stories doesn’t make sense. Without us as the secret sauce, none of this works, and it is about time that we understood that we are the Force that holds the Star Wars universe together. We’re the Prime Directive that makes Star Trek possible, yeah. In the Green Lantern Corps, we are the oath. We are all of these things—erased, and yet without us—we are essential."
Junot Diaz stay not fucking up. This is a really good interview.
THIS RINGS SO SO SOOOOOO TRUE.
Yes, yes, yessss. All of this yes. James Baldwin touched on it some in this piece of writing.
It is not really a “Negro revolution” that is upsetting the country. What is upsetting the country is a sense of its own identity. If, for example, one managed to change the curriculum in all the schools so that Negroes learned more about themselves and their real contributions to this culture, you would be liberating not only Negroes, you’d be liberating white people who know nothing about their own history. And the reason is that if you are compelled to lie about one aspect of anybody’s history, you must lie about it all. If you have to lie about my real role here, if you have to pretend that I hoed all that cotton just because I loved you, then you have done something to yourself. You are mad.
Long story short, there’s the notion of the white narrative wishing to make themselves heroes in the stories they tell, but in real life, they are a part of the privileged oppressive system that’s created the strife for peoples of colour (slavery, colonialism, marginalization etc), but they can’t deal, so even with the narratives of oppression, they have to make the oppressed white (be it mutants, inhabitants of Dune, etc) because as a whole, the white narrative can’t really see the people of colour, because that would be too real.
It’s like X-men - Stan Lee modeled Charles Xavier and Magneto after Martin Luther King Jnr and Malcolm X in terms of their attitudes towards a world that hates and fears them (black people, doesn’t this sound familiar), but made them mutants, and for the first couple of volumes of the comics, you didn’t really get a key black character until Storm (she came in the early 80s, whereas X-men was around since the late sixties, off and on).
In X-men: First Class, they actually set the timeline in the 1960s, appropriated the entire Civil Rights struggle and highlights, with Lehnsherr and Xavier at the Washington monument where Martin Luther King Jr gave his “I have a dream” speech, and yet in the movie, they killed the black guy, and the black female turned traitor. They took all the trappings of the unrest of the 1960s (it wasn’t just Cuba and the Bay of Pigs), and whitewashed it. As a comic book nerd, my heart hurt over that one.
Yes Diaz, yes. Yessss. All of this.
We are the X-Men, the aliens, the context for all your geeky shit.